asdf forums

Pot does less damage to you than a beer. Its been proven. The governent just didnt want people to be makeing money off it.

Of course.

Blargen wrote:Pot does less damage to you than a beer. Its been proven. The governent just didnt want people to be makeing money off it.

theres no point of comparing it to tobacco or alcohol or anything else that is legal. what's important is that the legalization of weed would be bad for society, there's no need to look at the other stuff because it's a whole different topic about how alcohol and tobacco are tied into society. but the legalization of weed would be bad not so much for individuals but for society as a whole because while people can still completely function with weed, people are much less efficient.

That's the first serious post I've seen by tom.

Me too...

Tom wrote:

Blargen wrote:Pot does less damage to you than a beer. Its been proven. The governent just didnt want people to be makeing money off it.

theres no point of comparing it to tobacco or alcohol or anything else that is legal. what's important is that the legalization of weed would be bad for society, there's no need to look at the other stuff because it's a whole different topic about how alcohol and tobacco are tied into society. but the legalization of weed would be bad not so much for individuals but for society as a whole because while people can still completely function with weed, people are much less efficient.

I'm not so sure that this is true. Even for society booze is worse than weed, have you ever had to try and lead your co-workers when they are drunk, and then when they are stoned. Trust me, I have and it's much easier to do when they are stoned, they'll still do their job stoned, but drunk, you might as well be asking crows to leave the shiny thing alone. And look at other countries that have legalized pot (and are socialist (that's a good thing)) they are doing way better as a society than we are.

I don't really have any opinions on marijuana, unless people smoke it on their own. That's just weird.
oddly, Alice Cooper is currently talking about the same subject on the podcast I'm listening to.

keja wrote:Rock is a whole genre of music that formed from blues music. It started of with sub genres like rock and roll, and in the early sixties, became mod music, one of my personal favourite sub genres. The seventies gave birth to rock music as we remember it today, which branched off into glam rock and punk rock. The eighties involved a lot of new wave and post punk, not something I'm that fond of, but heavy metal was also created. In the late eighties and early nineties, Grunge was the next big thing. this seemed to gradually draw to an end after Kurt Cobain's death. Rock musicquality gradually declined as the world learned of the next big things, nu metal, 00's rock and emo sh1t.

Don't try to teach me about rock music sonny, I already know my stuff.

Don't forget '80's metal' which is now being considered either some sort of heavy rock, or light metal. There is also most country music these days, trying to sneak in to the rock scene... good thing I've stopped it! What? Nothing.

Anyway. Metal was also mostly derived from rock when people decided they needed 'heavier stuff'. AC/DC is an influence of many metal bands, and if you have a Musac radio system where [you] work, it will play AC/DC on the metal channel. If you wanna say something was brought about in the 80's then metal would be closer than rock. Rock, as keja put it, was brought about much earlier than the 80's.

lunar_furor wrote:

Tom wrote:

Blargen wrote:Pot does less damage to you than a beer. Its been proven. The governent just didnt want people to be makeing money off it.

theres no point of comparing it to tobacco or alcohol or anything else that is legal. what's important is that the legalization of weed would be bad for society, there's no need to look at the other stuff because it's a whole different topic about how alcohol and tobacco are tied into society. but the legalization of weed would be bad not so much for individuals but for society as a whole because while people can still completely function with weed, people are much less efficient.

I'm not so sure that this is true. Even for society booze is worse than weed, have you ever had to try and lead your co-workers when they are drunk, and then when they are stoned. Trust me, I have and it's much easier to do when they are stoned, they'll still do their job stoned, but drunk, you might as well be asking crows to leave the shiny thing alone. And look at other countries that have legalized pot (and are socialist (that's a good thing)) they are doing way better as a society than we are.

like i said, there is no point in comparing it to alcohol or tobacco or anything. it doesn't matter if it's worse or better or the same as alcohol, all that matters is the possible legalization's effect on society. it seems like you don't understand what i mean by that because you focused almost your entire post on comparing it with alcohol. alcohol is a bad thing to society, it often isn't used in moderation and it causes deaths and damages lives and other bad things like that. it's very tied into society though so it's legal. but society would be more productive if alcohol wasn't consumed, and nobody should say otherwise or they are stupid. now im NOT saying that alcohol should be illegal because that would be stupid because of all of the bad things that would happen from that, all im saying is that alcohol is bad for the overall efficiency and productiveness of people from society's viewpoint. weed does the same thing, and whether it's worse than or better than or the same as alcohol doesn't matter, all that matters is that weed has negative effects on society and that legalizing it would increase its use and cause a downfall to society.

i agree with Tom..

however:

Tom wrote:alcohol is bad for the overall efficiency and productiveness of people from society's viewpoint. weed does the same thing

a lot of artists would disagree with this it's true when you are talking about economic productiveness, but there are also poets and musicians for example, who claim that drugs (or alcohol) help them open their subconscious.. i don't like this approach, but it can't be denied.

but this doesn't really change the fact that weed has negative effects on society..

Straight edge! yeah!

atomtengeralattjaro wrote: i agree with Tom..

however:

Tom wrote:alcohol is bad for the overall efficiency and productiveness of people from society's viewpoint. weed does the same thing

a lot of artists would disagree with this it's true when you are talking about economic productiveness, but there are also poets and musicians for example, who claim that drugs (or alcohol) help them open their subconscious.. i don't like this approach, but it can't be denied.

but this doesn't really change the fact that weed has negative effects on society..

this is true, but when the people in charge look at whether it would be a good idea or a bad idea to legalize marijuana they probably don't even take that into consideration because it isn't too important really.

think about how much cooler art and literature athens would have produced if they had marijuana though.

Uh... Alcohol is more addictive then weed...

i can't tell if you're kidding or not.

Tom doesn't like the ganja...

i smoked every day for over three years and i still do every weekend.

But only at twenty passed four though, right?

Are you still staring into peoples' souls?!...

And are you still out to get me lol? I understand that it would have negative some negative effects but the positive ones we could pull from that would probably out weigh that. I mean if you go to work drunk you get fired, you go to work stoned, you might get fired. Legalize it, tax it, just like tobacco, there you go, some million USD a day on the sale of it, not that our gov't knows how to handle money. The higher firing technically opens up jobs, and because we are losing the people who are less efficient and replacing them with more efficient people, productivity goes up. I'm not saying the lazy people don't smoke pot, but if it were legal, they'd do it much more and get caught more quickly when at work. And just because it would effect efficiency, doesn't mean it should be illegal. You make it sound like it isn't already a part of society. It's still being used, rampantly. Just it's not legal to, and the money we 'make' on it's illegality is only being destroyed by the massive anti-tobacco/drug movements that cost some billion dollars. Instead of putting gov't money, in a recession, to rid it just to look better to other countries, we should legalize it and make huge bank on it.

I see you don't know about the return key...