Discussion thread [Serious]

[dewero]

Humans are naturally greedy. it's the way that humans survived in the past. They had to steal from others and commit trickery just so they could live. Now, however, we don't need to fight every day to live. We don't need to say "will I see tomorrow?" We have a laid back lifestyle, and we don't need to fight for food. This greed, however, has an effect on us today. We are greedy for money, greedy for women (the men XD) and anything that will make our life better. We want it all, and it's not our fault entirely.
It's like the fear of the dark. When you were a kid, you would be afraid of the dark, most likely because you didn't know what was behind the shadows. That fear is not unique. That fear is rooted in the earliest of mankind, because sight was our primary sense. When placed into darkness, we wouldn't see anything, and was naturally afraid of what we couldn't see.
We overcame that fear with the invention of fire. But the fear of the dark isn't the important thing, the important thing is greed. As I've said before, greed is rooted into our ancestry. It's naturally there, and we want to have more.

The main reason why humans are advancing so quickly in technology is because we want to overcome problems. Our invention of fire was the first invention that we've created, and it overcame our earliest problem, darkness.
Nowadays, we are overcoming problems that may not be overly important to our survival. But this thrive for problem solving, for fame, for money, is also rooted into greed. Not many inventors create inventions for everyone, they made it just for themselves. Take Thomas Edison for example. He gave us one of our most used inventions today, the light bulb. However, Edison was afraid of the dark. If we make an educated guess, we can probably guess that he created the light bulb for his own needs.

Some people, however are very humble and aren't as greedy as most people. This is probably because of the way they were raised. Good parents teach their child to be polite and not so selfish. How greedy someone is can also be influenced by their parents. Most parents teach their child good deeds and such. But these deeds are usually forgotten by adulthood, where the child has to fend for him/herself. All they can think about is making their life as good as when they were at home. Then, the child may try to earn money without ever thinking about what their parents ever told them. Parents are one of the largest influences in a child's life.

The environment is also a big issue. as a 13-year old, i still live at home. I sometimes hear my mom say "It'll never happen in our lifetime" and stuff like that. This is one of the problems involving action for the environment. Most adults i know are too lazy to try and do something. They think that their life is ending, so this doesn't matter to them.
Children are more adapted to change, more than adults. Every time I tell my parents that google chrome is faster than internet explorer, they say that they don't care. Adults don't change much because their minds are already fully adapted and such is not easily changed.

Humans are naturally selfish. But, you can change how you think, by resisting that little urge "go buy it!" Most people think that there is nothing wrong with them, but most of the time, this is not true. I usually like saying to myself "fat people think their normal, and normal people think their fat." you are never content with what you have. You are naturally curious to see what another life is.

Greed is natural. But you can take steps to change.

[keja]

So I was thinking about how selfish humans really are... How much we've destroyed the world around us in order for us to have a little better life. Just think about all the cars that are made, how much each of them pollutes and how much resources was used in order to make those cars. All for us to get from one place to another a little quicker. We always want to have it better. Everyone The majority of people are after money. Inventing new stuff that we "need" in order to sell it and earn money. Though there might be stuff we actually need for survival there, often it's not. All because money can help our life get better. It's what drives the world, perhaps the largest and most influential thing among humans. So what would happen if we didn't have money? Who knows... Maybe we would be better off, maybe not.
I recently read about human moral, there had been a test about it. The subjects of this test had been asked if they would sacrifice one man in order to save 5 other people. I think it was about 90% that said they would've sacrificed the one man in order to save the others, but what if it was yourself on those tracks? Would you sacrifice yourself in order to save 5 others? 4? 3? One stranger? What if it was a close friend? Or several? The question immediately becomes harder. I think it's because we're naturally egoistic. We will always think about saving ourself. We always want the best for ourself. I'm not saying everyone is like this, but I believe the majority of people are. So what, if anything at all, can we do about it?

This may come across as pointless, but whatever.

Thoughts?

I don't think it's egotistic to let others die instead of sacrificing yourself for them. No life is worth more than another but your own life is worth more than any. I would of course sacrifice a stranger to save a group of stangers given the choice, but then who wouldn't? A fool who does not understand the concept, possibly, but no person in their right mind would.

I can honestly not comprshend a world without money. Bartering wouldn't work in this age, no one can haggle. I hace said this before and I'll repeat myself. Greed is not a bad thing everyone wants more than they have. Even buddhists are greedy for respect and power. A man with a lot of money who wants more is no different to the man with little monwy who wants as much as the previous man, who in turn is no different to the man with no food who wishes to be fed. The less you have, the lower you set your aspirations of wealth.

[atomtengeralattjaro]

A man with a lot of money who wants more is no different to the man with little monwy who wants as much as the previous man, who in turn is no different to the man with no food who wishes to be fed. The less you have, the lower you set your aspirations of wealth.

this is mostly true but people of course aren't greedy on the same level.. and i find it quite important not to wish for excessive wealth, luxury and stuff, and maybe i'm naive, but i believe that there are people who really wouldn't spend much more than it's necessary for their normal, peaceful, sufficient living with no necessities. (And by no necessities i don't mean that if you think about a brand new sportscar you should instantly buy it.) At that point, they could still "want more", but not for increasing their own wealth, but for example help others, and that's a good start for actually making a difference.

I belive that in today's world, the natural greed of humans should but probably can't be decreased to a sustainable level.

[keja]

I've been thinking about changing completely as a person. Fix my diet to begin with. No KFC, five differemt fruit/vegetables a day, less carbohydrates and that stuff. I've already given my debit card for my father to stop excessive spending. This may be sonething I can bring ASDF into, but we'll see how far I can get.

[Ml08180]

I am happy that you are going away from KFCruelty, those people are animals

[CX gamer]

Never had KFC...

I've been thinking about changing completely as a person. Fix my diet to begin with. No KFC, five differemt fruit/vegetables a day, less carbohydrates and that stuff. I've already given my debit card for my father to stop excessive spending. This may be sonething I can bring ASDF into, but we'll see how far I can get.

Could you make a log/diary or something if you're doing this... It would intrest me of how your personality evolves by this...

[qwertzuiop]

I am happy that you are going away from KFCruelty, those people are animals

whats KFC?

[Shai'tan]

Never had KFC...

I've been thinking about changing completely as a person. Fix my diet to begin with. No KFC, five differemt fruit/vegetables a day, less carbohydrates and that stuff. I've already given my debit card for my father to stop excessive spending. This may be sonething I can bring ASDF into, but we'll see how far I can get.

Could you make a log/diary or something if you're doing this... It would intrest me of how your personality evolves by this...

That would be quite interesting... Also, running or just exercising will definitely help you become; more positive, happier and more social. Or so I believe...

[keja]

Okay, I've got my card back so I can by one of those fruit blenders so I can have 3 fruit quickly in the morning. I'm also giving up on white bread amd excersising more often starting after my weeks holiday.

Keja has existed in mind for too long, trapped inside Jake's body. Now it is time to break free!

[atomtengeralattjaro]

white bread is bad for your personality?

[keja]

It's unhealthy.

Your body is the prison that holds your mind. You must make it suffer to release yourself.

[atomtengeralattjaro]

eating is unhealthy, it gives your stomach something to work on, so it never gets any rest and will eventually die.

[keja]

Submarines with Anorexia...

[CX gamer]

Easy for him to say... With his fancy nuclear power...

[Shai'tan]

Isn't this supposed to be [Serious]?

[keja]

Yes sir!

[qwertzuiop]

!!!!
What is KFC
!!!!

[lunar_furor]

So I was thinking about how selfish humans really are... How much we've destroyed the world around us in order for us to have a little better life. Just think about all the cars that are made, how much each of them pollutes and how much resources was used in order to make those cars. All for us to get from one place to another a little quicker. We always want to have it better. Everyone The majority of people are after money. Inventing new stuff that we "need" in order to sell it and earn money. Though there might be stuff we actually need for survival there, often it's not. All because money can help our life get better. It's what drives the world, perhaps the largest and most influential thing among humans. So what would happen if we didn't have money? Who knows... Maybe we would be better off, maybe not.
I recently read about human moral, there had been a test about it. The subjects of this test had been asked if they would sacrifice one man in order to save 5 other people. I think it was about 90% that said they would've sacrificed the one man in order to save the others, but what if it was yourself on those tracks? Would you sacrifice yourself in order to save 5 others? 4? 3? One stranger? What if it was a close friend? Or several? The question immediately becomes harder. I think it's because we're naturally egoistic. We will always think about saving ourself. We always want the best for ourself. I'm not saying everyone is like this, but I believe the majority of people are. So what, if anything at all, can we do about it?

This may come across as pointless, but whatever.

Thoughts?

My question is why would we want to do anything about people thinking about them selves. Greed is not a bad thing (I've said this plenty of times). To want for ones self is not a bad thing, to sacrifice others to save ones self is not evil it's natural. Selfishness is bad. If you would sacrifice a city to save your self is evil. To sacrifice your self to save one person you don't know is neither good or bad, but it's not natural. Here's how I see it. If possible, you must take the time to try and evaluate the cause of a sacrifice, this does not mean death all the time, it does rarely actually. It varies for everyone of course but here's an example.

You are offered a promotion, a large one. If you take it 20 low 'ranking' people are fired from the company to make up for it, but your salaries double. You make would make 100k. You must look at how this would effect the company. You make more money, and probably don't do much more to help the company, but 20 people are now out of a job, 20 people that did the actual work of the company. To do this would be removing a pillar beneath you. This, in my opinion, in any profession, would be selfish.

I may not be getting my point across very well at all but I'm tired. Money may rule the world, but as far as I know stupidity is what ruins it, not money, not greed. Ignorance is may be bliss, but it effects society the same way a cancer that makes you hallucinate does the body. If you ask me, how can we fix the selfishness in men, and many other problems? My answer would be "Educate people in a way that is reasonable." Free education, and rational education. Teach what needs be known first. Basic math (up to low algebra), basic linguistics and communication (no more 'i seen' and people know what verbs and such are, and how to form a coherent sentence), IMPORTANT history (things effecting us NOW and WHY, learn from our past mistakes), basic logic (learning to form a less bias opinion, learning to think FREELY, learning to think clearly), and basic arts (music, drawing, painting, ceramics etc.). After that focus these things and once they prove capable to move on, have them choose a focus. Grades would be given a heaver focus on quizzes and tests, and less on the dedication to work. I would have it to be that you could not pass by failing tests, but passing all tests and quizzes passed the class just on a low grade. This is my opinion and I know it's very utopian but It's all I got at 520 (AM for those who don't default think in military time). Educate man, and he will live happy.

[atomtengeralattjaro]

Greed is not a bad thing (I've said this plenty of times). To want for ones self is not a bad thing

it's not, the problem of most very greedy people is that they don't know the word enough.

"Educate people in a way that is reasonable." Free education, and rational education.

learning to form a less bias opinion, learning to think FREELY, learning to think clearly

very true, this is the way, only that it's the task of parents too, they have to teach their children so they don't get lost in a world of selfish people..

[qwertzuiop]

Greed is not a bad thing (I've said this plenty of times). To want for ones self is not a bad thing

it's not, the problem of most very greedy people is that they don't know the word enough.

But if the greedy people would know the word enough then they wouldn't be greedy.